A17-017
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Public Details for: A17-017
Service bulletin - a judder from the torque converter lock-up clutch may be felt while driving between 20 and 60 mph. The problem is typically diagnosed as a bad torque converter. American honda investigated the judder and found that the to
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Service Bulletin January 12, 2018 17-017 08020 Version 2 2013–17 Accord: Judder from the Torque Converter Lock-Up Clutch Supersedes 17-017, dated March 4, 2017, to revise the information highlighted in yellow AFFECTED VEHICLES Year Model 2013–17 Accord Trim VIN Range V6, 6 AT ALL REVISION SUMMARY Under SOFTWARE INFORMATION, 2014 models were added. BACKGROUND A judder from the torque converter lock-up clutch may be felt while driving between 20 and 60 mph. The problem is typically diagnosed as a bad torque converter. American Honda investigated the judder and found that the torque converter was not causing the judder and the transmission is not damaged by this judder. The judder was caused by deteriorated transmission fluid. The transmission fluid deteriorates quicker than expected when it is exposed to intermittent high heat loads under specific driving conditions. A software update is available to maintain the transmission fluid temperature within the desirable range under all driving conditions and eliminate the potential for this judder. There are two bulletins referring to this subject: • 17-017 - 2013–17 Accord: Judder from the Torque Converter Lock-Up Clutch. Do this bulletin first to apply the software and flush the transmission as indicated in the REPAIR PROCEDURE. • 17-018 - 2013–17 Accord: Judder from the Torque Converter Lock-Up Clutch After Software Update. Some vehicles based on how they are driven may still experience ATF deterioration after updating the PGM-FI or A/T system. In these cases, do the inspection and, if necessary, flush the transmission as indicated in the REPAIR PROCEDURE. CORRECTIVE ACTION Check if the software has been updated. If the software has not been updated, take an automatic transmission snapshot, review the data, and confirm that the judder is coming from the torque converter, and forward it to tech line. If the snapshot indicates the judder is coming from the torque converter, update the PGM-FI or A/T system, then flush the transmission as indicated in the REPAIR PROCEDURE. PARTS INFORMATION Part Name Part Number Quantity Drain Plug Washer (18 mm) 90471-PX4-000 1 ATF Fill Sealing Washer (24 mm) 90441-PK4-000 1 Part Number Quantity 08200-9008 10 REQUIRED MATERIALS Part Name Honda ATF DW-1 CUSTOMER INFORMATION: The information in this bulletin is intended for use only by skilled technicians who have the proper tools, equipment, and training to correctly and safely maintain your vehicle. These procedures should not be attempted by “do-it-yourselfers,” and you should not assume this bulletin applies to your vehicle, or that your vehicle has the condition described. To determine whether this information applies, contact an authorized Honda automobile dealer. © 2018 American Honda Motor Co., Inc. – All Rights Reserved Page 1 of 7 WARRANTY CLAIM INFORMATION The warranty is 8 years or 80,000 miles, whichever comes first. Operation Number 1255E4 A Description Flat Rate Time Update the PGM-FI software. 0.2 hr Flush the ATF. 1.4 hr Defect Code Symptom Code 03214 03217 Template ID Failed Part Number 17-017A 37805-5G0-A160 SOFTWARE INFORMATION NOTE: Unnecessary or incorrect repairs resulting from a failure to update the i-HDS or MVCI are not covered under warranty. i-HDS Software Version: 1.002.021 or later J2534 Software Information: PC Application Version 1.1.0.1 or later Database update 23-FEB-2017 or later Before beginning the repair, make sure that both the i-HDS and J2534 software are updated as listed above. Do only the update listed in this service bulletin. You cannot apply the updates with the MVCI as a standalone tool. To update the vehicle you must use the MVCI or the DST-i interface in conjunction with the J2534 Rewrite PC application on the i-HDS. For more information about updating the i-HDS, the MVCI, and vehicle systems, refer to Service Bulletin 01-023, Updating Control Units/Modules. Software Program ID Program P/N Year Trim Area System (or later) (or later) 13 4D EX, EX-L KA PGM-FI G0A590 37805-5G0-A590 13 4D EX, EX-L 13 4D EX, EX-L KL KL PGM-FI PGM-FI G1L560 G1L650 37805-5G1-L560 37805-5G1-L650 13 13 2D EX, EX-L 2D EX, EX-L KA KL PGM-FI PGM-FI G0A780 G1L750 37805-5G0-A780 37805-5G1-L750 13 4D Touring KA PGM-FI G0A690 37805-5G0-A690 14–15 4D V6 EXV, EX-L KA PGM-FI G0A160 37805-5G0-A160 14–15 4D V6 Touring KA PGM-FI G0A260 37805-5G0-A260 14–15 2D V6 EX KA PGM-FI G0A360 37805-5G0-A360 14–15 4D V6 EX KL PGM-FI G1L150 37805-5G1-L150 14–15 4D V6 Touring KL PGM-FI G1L250 37805-5G1-L250 14–15 2D V6 EX KL PGM-FI G1L350 37805-5G1-L350 16–17 4D V6 EX, EX-L KA PGM-FI G0A050 37805-5G0-A050 16–17 2D V6 EX, EX-L, Touring KA PGM-FI G0A450 37805-5G0-A450 16–17 4D V6 EX, EX-L, Touring KA PGM-FI G0A860 37805-5G0-A860 16–17 2D V6 EX, EX-L KA PGM-FI G0A950 37805-5G0-A950 16–17 4D V6 EX, EX-L KL PGM-FI G1L050 37805-5G1-L050 17 2D V6 EX, Touring KL PGM-FI G1L450 37805-5G1-L450 17 4D V6 EX, Touring KL PGM-FI G1L850 37805-5G1-L850 17 2D V6 EX, EX-L KL PGM-FI G1L950 37805-5G1-L950 Page 2 of 7 INSPECTION PROCEDURE 1. Connect the i-HDS, and go to the A/T Data List. Check to see if the software has been updated by comparing the program P/N against the table below. • If the program P/N is listed below (or later), the vehicle has been updated. Go to service bulletin 17-018 2013–17 Accord: Judder from the Torque Converter Lock-Up Clutch After Software Update. 37805-5G0-A590 37805-5G0-A780 37805-5G0-A360 37805-5G0-A050 37805-5G1-L050 • 37805-5G0-A690 37805-5G1-L750 37805-5G1-L150 37805-5G0-A450 37805-5G1-L450 37805-5G1-L560 37805-5G0-A160 37805-5G1-L250 37805-5G0-A860 37805-5G1-L850 37805-5G1-L650 37805-5G0-A260 37805-5G1-L350 37805-5G0-A950 37805-5G1-L950 If the program P/N is not listed, the vehicle has not been updated. Go to step 2. 2. Take an automatic transmission snapshot and forward it to Tech Line using the RO number. For more information about capturing and interpreting the data, refer to the job aid Torque Converter Clutch Shudder and Vibration and the Tech2Tech® video “Interpreting Torque Converter Judder Snapshot Data”. • • If the snapshot indicates there is a judder, go to REPAIR PROCEDURE. If the snapshot does not indicate a judder, this bulletin does not apply. Continue with normal troubleshooting. NOTE: You do not need to contact Tech Line after sending the snapshot. However, if you do not send a snapshot, your claim may be subject to debit. Page 3 of 7 REPAIR PROCEDURE NOTE: • You can’t update the vehicle using the MVCI as a standalone tool. • Do not use the MongoosePro VCI tool. • Make sure the 12 volt battery is fully charged before starting an update. • Connect a fully charged jumper battery to the vehicle and leave it connected during the entire procedure to maintain steady voltage. • Never turn the ignition to OFF or ACCESSORY during the update. If there is a problem with the update, leave the ignition turned to ON. • To prevent PCM damage, do not operate anything electrical (headlights, audio system, brakes, A/C, power windows, door locks, etc.) during the update. • If you see the following Error Display, check that you are using the correct tool (MVCI or DST-i) with the i-HDS. To change this, click on either of the SETTING selection buttons at the bottom of the J2534 initial screens as shown. 1. Update the PGM-FI or A/T software by selecting the i-HDS Diagnostic System icon. Refer to Service Bulletin 01-023, Updating Control Units/ Modules. NOTE: Do not use the Rewrite icon on your desktop. Page 4 of 7 2. Select J2534 Rewrite. 3. Confirm the software is the same or later as listed in SOFTWARE INFORMATION. 4. Select Start, then follow the screen prompts. NOTE: • Don’t enter a bulletin number. • If you receive a message that the vehicle has been already updated or that no update is available, check the transmission data list. The header should indicate one of the following numbers (or later). 37805-5G0-A590 37805-5G0-A780 37805-5G0-A360 37805-5G0-A050 37805-5G1-L050 • 37805-5G0-A690 37805-5G1-L750 37805-5G1-L150 37805-5G0-A450 37805-5G1-L450 37805-5G1-L560 37805-5G0-A160 37805-5G1-L250 37805-5G0-A860 37805-5G1-L850 37805-5G1-L650 37805-5G0-A260 37805-5G1-L350 37805-5G0-A950 37805-5G1-L950 If the program part numbers do not match those listed above, the i-HDS software needs to be reinstalled. Contact the Special Tools Hotline at 800-346-6327 for assistance. Page 5 of 7 5. Go to the ATF Flush Procedure. ATF Flush Procedure NOTE: The term “flushing” refers to repeatedly draining and filling the transmission with Honda Genuine ATF-DW1. Other aftermarket flush systems are available, but American Honda strongly recommends that you avoid using them on any Honda vehicles. 1. Start the engine. Hold the engine speed at 3,000 rpm without load (in Park or Neutral) until the radiator fan comes on, then let it idle. 2. Position the vehicle on a lift and turn off the engine. 3. Remove the ATF filler bolt and sealing washer. 4. Raise the vehicle and make sure it is securely supported. 5. Remove the drain plug and drain the ATF. 6. Install the drain plug and original washer and torque it to 49 N.m (36 lb-ft). 7. Lower the vehicle and fill the transmission with 3.3 US qts (3.1 L) of ATF-DW1 through the filler hole. NOTE: Do not use non-Honda ATF because it can affect shift quality. 8. Install the ATF filler bolt and original sealing washer and torque it to 44 N.m (32 lb-ft). 9. Check that the fluid is filled to the proper level. 10. Raise the vehicle and make sure it is securely supported. 11. Start the engine. 12. Press the VSA Off button. 13. Press the brake pedal and shift to Drive. 14. Release the brake pedal. Press the accelerator pedal and bring the speedometer up to 50 mph. Make sure the transmission shifts through the first three lower gears and into fourth gear and the torque converter is locking up. 15. Apply the brakes to stop the front wheels. 16. Shift to Reverse, then Neutral. 17. Repeat the shifting procedure (steps 13 through 16) four more times. 18. Turn off the engine. 19. Repeat the above drain, fill, and shifting procedure (steps 3 through 18) one more time. 20. After the second refill and drive cycle, drain the transmission. 21. Install the drain bolt with a new washer and torque to 49 N.m (36 lb-ft). Page 6 of 7 22. Fill the transmission with 3.3 US qts (3.1 L) of ATF-DW1. Automatic Transmission Fluid Capacity 3.3 US qts (3.1 L) at change NOTE: Do not use non-Honda ATF because it can affect shift quality. 23. Install the ATF filler bolt with a new sealing washer and torque the bolt to 44 N.m (32 lb-ft). 24. Confirm the judder is gone and clear any DTCs that were set while driving on the lift. 25. If the Maintenance Minder did not indicate the ATF needed replacement, reset the Maintenance Minder with the i-HDS. For more information about resetting individual maintenance items, refer to the service information. If the Maintenance Minder indicated the ATF needed replacement, reset the maintenance minder with the multiinformation display. END Page 7 of 7