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TECHNICAL SERVICE OPERATIONS MAS002929 BOL 24-06 Diagnostic Sheet FROM: Maserati TSO TO: Maserati Network Cambiocorsa “F1” Gearbox Diagnosis DATE: February 21, 2024 The purpose of this Diagnostic Sheet is to provide guidance and information about the most common points to be considered when diagnosing issues on the Cambiocorsa transmission of the M139 and M145 models equipped with this robotized “F1” transmission. MODELS: Quattroporte (M139) and GranTurismo (M145) with Cambiocorsa (also known as F1 gearbox) transmission TOPIC: During the execution of Diagnosis on NCR ECU, some points need to be considered. Section A: Important Notes on the Active Diagnosis Self-Learning (All) Never perform the NCR > Active Diagnosis > Self Learning (All). This Active Diagnosis will permanently damage the NCR ECU, for which reason the latter will require replacement. Note: if the Self-Learning (All) was already carried out, the following steps can be attempted to restore proper NCR functionalities: 1. Install the NCR ECU on a like vehicle. 2. Perform the DEIS procedure. 3. Reinstall the NCR ECU on the Vehicle it came from and perform the F1 Grid. Section B: Execution of the NCR Self-Learning Steps for the execution of the Self-Learning of the NCR: 1. Set the new clutch position and the PIS (Punto Incipiente Slittamento, i.e. slip beginning point). Note: the PIS is also referred to as Kiss Point. 2. Make the DEIS operation in Active Diagnosis so that the clutch is mapped by the NCR. 3. Perform the Gear Structure self-learning. 4. Drive the car some distance to be sure that all the gears are working: no need to go fast, just a simple gentle drive to get the gearbox oil warm. 5. Perform again the Gear Structure self-learning. 6. Perform the superfast shift learning with warm gearbox oil. If the Superfast shift is not available on the Vehicle in subject, skip to the following step. 7. Reset the accelerometer offset via Active Diagnosis. 8. Perform NCR > Specific Function > Kiss Point Based on the Model and the System version (please refer to the Training Manual for further details) the Kiss Point basic values are summarized in Table 1. © 2024 Maserati North America. Aftersales www.maseratiusa.com MAS002929 All rights reserved. Reproduction or translation in whole or in part is not permitted without authorization from the publisher. Printed in USA Page 1 of 6 Model M138 Coupé, Spyder, Gransport M139 Quattroporte Duoselect M145 GranTurismo S M145 GranTurismo MC Stradale Alfa Romeo 8C & 8C Spider Kiss Point basic values System Min Pre-Sofast 4,8 mm Sofast 1 4,8 mm Sofast 2 4,8 mm Sofast 2 4,8 mm Sofast 3 3,9 mm Sofast 3 + 3,9 mm Sofast 4 Superfast 3,9 mm shift Sofast 4 Superfast 3,9 mm shift 2 Sofast 3 + 3,9 mm Standard 5,1 mm 5,1 mm 5,1 mm 5,1 mm 4,2 mm 4,2 mm Max 5,4 mm 5,4 mm 5,4 mm 5,4 mm 4,4 mm 4,4 mm 4,2 mm 4,4 mm 4,2 mm 4,4 mm 4,2 mm 4,4 mm TECHNICAL SERVICE OPERATIONS Table 1: Kiss Point values based on model and system. Section C: Execution of the F1 Grid 1. Download the Excel file F1_Grid.xlsm. 2. The values required for the filling of the tables “Threshold min./max. Engagement” and “Threshold min./max. Selection” (Figure 1, on the left) can be found in Vehicle in the NCR Parameters Groups Engagement Thresholds and Selection Thresholds (Figure 2, on the right). These values must be pasted in the Excel file for each gear. into NCR ECU and just copy & paste the values for every gear. Figure 1: threshold values (minimum/maximum) for engagement and selection (left) and Parameter Groups in the NCR ECU (right). 3. To fill the upper table of the Excel file, perform the NCR > Active Diagnosis > Gear Selection in the sequence N/1/2/3/4/5/6; after every single engagement, copy & paste the related value of parameters “Engagement Potentiometer Position” and “Selection Potentiometer Position” in the table (see Figure 3). Those parameters are inside the Dynamic Parameters group of the NCR ECU. Figure 2: upper table of the F1 Grid Excel file. Figure 3: Engagement and Selection Potentiometer position values in the Dynamic Parameters group of the NCR ECU. © 2024 Maserati North America. Aftersales www.maseratiusa.com MAS002929 All rights reserved. Reproduction or translation in whole or in part is not permitted without authorization from the publisher. Printed in USA Page 2 of 6 In certain conditions, e.g. driving at low-speed uphill, and especially when the engine and transmission are not yet warmed up, the Customer may complain about a noise that is perceivable in the attached video F1_Cambiocorsa_Transmission_Clutch_Noise.m4v. It can be said that this is not a defect, as it is related to how the clutch works, as better explained below. Technically, it can be stated that the clutch of the Cambiocorsa (also known as F1) Gearbox is a twin plate, so one clutch makes contact first and the second plate then oscillates, and this can lead to noise generating in the clutch area and then transmitted to the environment. This type of noise can be better described by hearing the video. Performing the maneuver of the video F1_Cambiocorsa_Transmission_Clutch_Noise.m4v is worsening the situation: this happens because the slippage of the clutch and its consequent overheating emphasizes the vibration described above. Section E: various DTCs of the type P177x Example of possible DTCs: P1770 Gear Engagements with wrong shifts. 1. Is it possible to reproduce the Customer's concern in the workshop? If yes, when you try to insert the reverse gear, can you hear if the F1 actuator is working? 2. Verify if the F1 actuation circuit hydraulic system has any leakage. 3. Save the NCR > Dynamic Parameters. 4. Check Gearbox oil quality and oil level: is the Gearbox Oil Level correct and is it smelling burnt and/or does it have a dark color? 5. Perform the F1 Grid as detailed in Section C: Execution of the F1 Grid: with both cold and warm engines and attach two different Excel files. 6. Save the NCR > Dynamic Parameters > Clutch SV Leakage Not Engaged and Engaged is increasing with respect to Cold Condition. 7. Perform F1 actuator bleeding as indicated in the attached F1_Actuator_Bleeding.pdf, which includes the instructions to perform the Self Learning. 8. Verify if the issue is still there. Section F: Remarks on the interpretation of some Dynamic Parameters Some remarks on some of the Dynamic Parameters of the NCR ECU: a. The Clutch Wear percentage is the real (the actual) wear of the Clutch. It is a computed value, as described in the following. This means that, with a calculated clutch wear of 30%, the estimated residual clutch is 70%. b. The maximum acceptable value of the solenoid leakages is 30 cc/min The Parameters are: OIL LEAKAGE WITH CLUTCH SV TRIGGERED OIL LEAKAGE WITH SV NOT TRIGGERED They need to be compared in both Cold and Warm Conditions. c. New Clutch Position (Parameter name: CLOSED CLUTCH POSITION (NEW CLUTCH) ), whose value is expressed in mm, should be lower than the Clutch Position and different from 0 mm. A typical value for this parameter is 20,50 mm. If the Self-Calibrated Clutch Position is greater than the New Clutch Position value, then the Clutch Wear percentage is not reliable. This is because the clutch wear percentage is computed as shown in the formula shown in Figure 4. Figure 4: clutch wear percentage calculation formula. Example: SELF-CALIBRATED CLOSED CLUTCH POSITION = 21,83 mm CLOSED CLUTCH POSITION (NEW CLUTCH) = 0 mm PERCENTAGE CLUTCH WEAR = (21,83 mm – 0 mm)/5,6 mm = 3,8984 = 389,84%. © 2024 Maserati North America. Aftersales www.maseratiusa.com MAS002929 All rights reserved. Reproduction or translation in whole or in part is not permitted without authorization from the publisher. Printed in USA Page 3 of 6 TECHNICAL SERVICE OPERATIONS Section D: possible Clutch noise technical explanation Figure 5: service operations for Vehicles equipped with Sofast 4. © 2024 Maserati North America. Aftersales www.maseratiusa.com MAS002929 All rights reserved. Reproduction or translation in whole or in part is not permitted without authorization from the publisher. Printed in USA Page 4 of 6 TECHNICAL SERVICE OPERATIONS In this case, the values of Closed Clutch Position (New Clutch) and Percentage Clutch Wear are abnormal. For a normal Vehicle, Closed Clutch Position (New Clutch) is different from 0 mm. As such, the NCR ECU Parameters need to be initialized. As described in the Workshop Manual: 03.90.001 - 00 F1 GEARBOX ECU - Removal/refitting or replacement at step 10. Perform the self-calibration procedure for the DEIS control parameter. Note: at the step 11. Perform the "SELF LEARNING" procedure, i.e. the gearshift grid self-learning procedure, please do NOT perform SELF LEARNING (ALL) but the SELF LEARNING. Referring to Figure 5, when replacing the NCR ECU, reading of closed clutch value from new on the replaced NCR and setting of this value on the new NCR is necessary. However, if this is not available, a sensible value is 20,50 mm. Figure 6: clutch configuration active diagnosis. When examining the NCR Dynamic Parameters, please bear in mind the typical value of the system working pressure (40 bar). Section G: DEIS Error message: Unexpected value (6) In case of an error message: Unexpected Value (6) during the execution of the DEIS procedure of the NCR ECU, the issue is likely related to the Clutch or its thrust bearing. In some cases, this error message is related to problems in the Hydraulics of the F1 Hydraulic actuation systems. Hence, it is advisable to perform these steps: 1. Please inspect the filters shown in the points highlighted in Figure 7. © 2024 Maserati North America. Aftersales www.maseratiusa.com MAS002929 All rights reserved. Reproduction or translation in whole or in part is not permitted without authorization from the publisher. Printed in USA Page 5 of 6 TECHNICAL SERVICE OPERATIONS As mentioned in the Training Manual (an extract is shown in Figure 6), the “clutch configuration”, which is a command in the “Active diagnostic” menu of Maserati Diagnosi, is used to store the actual “closed clutch position”, as measured by the clutch position sensor in real-time, as the “closed clutch position of the new clutch”. Therefore, this operation must only be performed after the installation of a new clutch. The clutch configuration is crucial for the correct calculation of the clutch wear %. With the current Maserati Diagnosi diagnostic software, the Clutch configuration is integrated in the Kiss Point Active Diagnosis. Hence it is crucial to perform the KISS Point Active Diagnosis of NCR ECU. TECHNICAL SERVICE OPERATIONS Figure 7: position of the filters in the hydraulic actuation circuit. Please verify the presence of metal shavings or contamination on their surface, as shown in Figure 8. Figure 8: filters of the F1 hydraulic actuation circuit. In this case, they were found to be dirtied by metal shavings. 2. Verify the status of actual wear of the friction material on the Clutch Plate itself, as well as the absence of free play or abnormalities on the Clutch Thrust Bearing, as shown in Figure 9. Figure 9: checks of the wear of the friction material of the clutch plate (left) and of the status of the clutch thrust bearing (right). © 2024 Maserati North America. Aftersales www.maseratiusa.com MAS002929 All rights reserved. Reproduction or translation in whole or in part is not permitted without authorization from the publisher. Printed in USA Page 6 of 6